Talk:Legislative Assembly of Ontario
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Split proposal
[edit]Having read the Discussion from 2014. I propose Legislature of Ontario be split off from this article. 2 potential issues I can cover. 1. It's officially called the Legislature of Ontario not the Parliament of Ontario, the resolution that changed the title to M.P.P even still uses the term "Legislature of Ontario" (text is below), it never switched, the use of "Parliament of Ontario" is an informal practice. 2. Splitting the House from the legislature is consistent with other Canadian Provinces, examples include General Assembly of Prince Edward Island, General Assembly of Nova Scotia, Quebec Legislature, Alberta Legislature, ect.
On motion of Mr. Hunter, seconded by Mr. Miller,
Resolved, That in all matters of address, titular distinction, formal correspondence, official proceedings and all similar matters having to do with and coming under the jurisdiction of the Legislature of Ontario, the members of the Legislative Assembly shall be entitled to the designation "Member of Provincial Parliament" and its abbreviation "M.P.P."[1]
WanukeX (talk) 00:10, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- TBH, I never fully understood why we have such articles (General Assembly of Prince Edward Island and Legislative Assembly of Prince Edward Island for examples), as they have basically the 'same' info. If the provinces still had bicameral legislatures? then it would make sense, for we'd then have three articles per province. An article for the upper house, the lower house & both houses combined. GoodDay (talk) 08:42, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- Makes no sense having two separate and overlapping articles for a unicameral assembly, the better option is to clearly define the terminology early on. Just about as dumb is having separate articles for a “premier of X” and “List of premiers of X” rather than combining the two. Ricjac (talk) 08:04, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Legally, you're right that the Legislature and the Assembly are different entities. That's why they have separate entries on a project like Wikidata. But I doubt we would have enough to say about the Legislature to justify an entire article. That page would always be just a definition and a list. And it so happens that's what we see in pages like General Assembly of Prince Edward Island. So maybe a better solution would be to match PEI's format and rename List of Ontario Legislative Assemblies to "Legislature of Ontario" and add an infobox to that page? —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 22:50, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Oppose: Having actually worked at the Assembly for many years, although they are de facto independent entities (in most cases), they are effectively the same from an operational standpoint and as others have said, I doubt we have enough content to justify a split.Spilia4 (talk) 17:03, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
Oppose 2022. This is splitting hairs and looking for problems where none exist. The name Legislative Assembly is clearly stated in the Constitution Act. Until that is amended or the Legislative Assembly renames itself as the Quebec National Assembly did, LEAVE IT ALONE. BrentS (talk) 01:41, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
- "The name Legislative Assembly is clearly stated in the Constitution Act", look about 10 words earlier in Section 69 and you'll spot it the "Legislature of Ontario" being referred to separately from the "Legislative Assembly of Ontario".
69 There shall be a Legislature for Ontario consisting of the Lieutenant Governor and of One House, styled the Legislative Assembly of Ontario." WanukeX (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
Support the proposal by @WanukeX:. The monarch & lieutenant governor are a part of the "Parliament of Ontario", but are not a part of the "Legislative Assembly of Ontario". There is a difference here, as in the other provinces. The new page should be called Parliament of Ontario. -- GoodDay (talk) 02:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Agree in Part, but the new page should be Legislature of Ontario, not Parliament, that's the language used in section 69 of the Constitution Act 1867 "There shall be a Legislature for Ontario", [1], and as I wrote in my initial comment in 2021 even the motion that designated the title "Member of Provincial Parliament" continued to call it "Legislature" not "Parliament". WanukeX (talk) 14:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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